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               bringing the charge of       … would reduce the harm….        must respect, the weak should
               Israeli genocide against     We knew that we may not stop     implement and the powerful can
               Palestinians living in       the conflict in its entirety, but   do what they want.
               Gaza, to the International   if we could reduce harm to
               Court of Justice, and not    the civilian population and      Min. Pandor:  How do the
               against Russia for the war   get humanitarian aid in, we      powerful contribute to the
               in Ukraine.                  would be happy.                  greater good? What role is being
                                                                             played to ensure all of us hold
               Baer:  What did South        Min. Pandor:  Provisional        up the highest standard? We’re
               Africa      intend      to   measures have been ignored       the country that remains talking
               accomplish by bringing       by  Israel, we’re  seeing  mass   every  week  to  both  [Russia
               its case to the ICJ on       starvation now, and famine       and Ukraine]. That’s saying
               Gaza?  And how does          before our very eyes…. I         we’ve got to get you in the same
               South    Africa    square    think as humanity we need to     room. We participated in all the
               that with abstaining on      look at ourselves in horror….    working groups, on the peace
               UN     resolutions   with    Speaking  of  Israel’s  defiance   plan of President Zelenskyy.
               respect     to    Russia’s   to adhere to any law… there’s    And we’ve now said, we think
               aggression to Ukraine?       license, I can do what I want,   there has to be a meeting with
               You compellingly spoke       and not be stopped…. The         Russia….
               of the need for the UN       minute you allow something
               to respond to the killing    like this, then what you’re      Talking of South  Africa’s
               of innocent civilians,       doing is setting in play a       aspirations for the continent,
               and     certainly   that’s   form  of  practice that  will be   Min. Pandor said: So, we do
               happening in Ukraine.        very  difficult  to  challenge   try to be good. But we don’t
               How does South  Africa       in the future. We went to the    get it right all the time. … I
               see connecting those two     ICJ, because we have always      believe we’re making an effort.
               positions?                   been told by those who know      And for us, the first prize would
                                            democracy better than us, that   be in  Africa to silence the
               Min. Pandor:  On Gaza,       we must respect human rights,    guns, focus on development,
               and what we hope to          that we should respect UN        industrialization,    productive
               accomplish,    the    first   institutions, that we should    capacity, and achieving a
               thing is to stop the killing   practice democracy, that we    livelihood for the majority of
               of innocent Palestinians,    should end conflict in Africa.   Africans, that places us in a
               and what we’ve seen,         And so, we were merely           different  space  of  development.
               what each of us watches      practicing what is preached to   That  is  first  prize,  and  first
               every day, surely makes us   us every day….                   concern for us.
               horrified about ourselves,
               and our inability to stop    Min. Pandor: It behooves us      I completely concur with
               that.  So,  we  hoped  that   to say, how do we find a better   Minister Pandor: development,
               through the ICJ, through     way…. It’s made more difficult   industrialization, and improving
               respect for it…as one        by the most powerful countries   the livelihood of Africans is the
               of  the  international  law   in the world, because the       first prize!
               institutions that through    impression    that’s   created
               the provisional measures     is that it’s the weak who




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